All this talk on here won't make anything better for ISU..but you all have the right to speak as supporters for ISU..right now what this " team " needs..( not the coaches or staff ).. all of our support..yes I know recruiting will hurt..but I know for sure that we will have some new recruits coming in..releasing Kramer won't do any good right now..even one of the best coaches out there won't turn this program around..with this tough time that this team and community of supporters are facing we need to support these young gents, because I know most of them are now loyal to coach kramer and his staff..I know if the community and fans come out strong no matter what..Kramer and his boys will show up and you better be sure to be there to make it rain when that happens.. ;)

GO BENGALS!!

Kramer simply just needs to go. Someone please tell me how recruiting will get better when you are a defensive coaching giving up 5 straight 50 point games, being fired from MSU for players getting into legal trouble, and being put out as a villain on ESPN to all those young recruits out there. He can't make us better if he can't recruit anyone

Maggie if you're trying to say that ISU football is not in very good shape and is not likely to get much better soon, I don't think you'll get many arguments right now.

Birdiet

Yes, I know all about that. But in principle it would be the President's office, and/or the facultu senate. because they are not talking does not relieve them of responsibilities. This is another issue involving university politics.

Something had to happen soon and it did. What appears to me is a pacification of parties. Graves himself asked no more than
Kramer be disciplined.

at the end of UC Davis game and after newsconference Kramer was crying and talking about how much he loved his players. That got him a lot of sympathy. shortly thereafter all this came out. And people felt the team threatened.

For myself after looking at tape and listening to some arguments
and looking at the past and how the players like Moore and Krotsch were stabbed in the back by Kramer, I had a change of heart.
And after watching the Northern Colorado game and how badly the team was coached, I began to think

yea Kramer is not that good at all. This team is the worst in a decade plus three. And all the Kramer kiss a...s oh give him a chance give him a chance.

Well he has been recruiting for two years and this team is now rated the worst in the country.

And that tape just irks me. Every time I have looked at it I think what a userous arrogant slob this guy is. A real tuff guy. Well he is a pig----pure and simple. And I'll tell you this, this university missed a golden opportunity to get rid of him no matter what it cost.
This team will not win a game this year. They will go out of the season on a 15 game conference losing streak.
And get this next year Yost and Rumble will be gone, and so will a lot of other people.

At the end of the season last year I said ISU would not win a game this year. Oh yea they manged to beat Div111 recruit
Black Hills State---and Indian land grant college with a student population of 2000. between them and Western Montana, and Western State ISU is a big powerful team now isn't it. Those are ISU's only wins except for NC a year ago.

Two years and ISU is in worse shape than it was in 2010 or 2009.
They are not losing by 2 points like the ISU Montana game 2009

or the one score losses in the Weber and Montana State games of
2010.
I said it then and I'll say it again, "Letting coaches like Brian Strandley go who by the wy in case you didn't know is on the coaching staff at Eastern Washington this year, was dumb, dummer, dummest.

But it is jokers like you and others that think they know what is best for this football team. So put the 52-14 loss ISU just swallowed from a team that hasn't won a conference game in two years and swallow it.

And what is coming down the line is not going to be pretty.
Montana on Montana field is going to be vicious and they are going to want a blood bath for their past two losses.
And Northern Arizona is not a school that is known to show mercy.
They beat Fort lewis 66-0 and that was for fun. Think what they have planned for hapless ISU when it gets serious. We won't even talk cal Poly--And Weber consistently likes to pin ISU's ears back just for the fun of it.

And most of it will do it all again next year. And to think we have't
even played the good teams like UND or Southern Utah or Eastern or Montana State.
No ISU is in the cellar and it is going to stay their for years to come. The only way it makes National news is getting smahed by Nebraska 77 points, or nasty fiasco's like the Dereck Graves
story.
I have totally changed my viewpoint. He is the only guy on the whole team that had the guts to stand up to that soft soap smooth talking,lying out the back of his teeth con artist Mike Kramer.
He may have managed a title when the Big Sky didn't amount to a wart on a bull frog---but today it is D1 as the Mountain West found out this year.
Kramer will never get this team a title not in fifty years. he doesn't have what it takes, and he never will.

Brian Strandley will be in the championship headlines, long before Kramer even knows what a 500 season feels like.

So there[beam]

If ISU decides to terminate Kramer's contract, which I seriously doubt, then ISU maybe be obligated to pay his remaining amount on his four year contract. Also, Kramer maybe eligible for unemployment benefits. As far as closed practices, most coaches do not allow the public to attend practices during the regular season as it is a distraction to the coaches and players.

Maggie, what universe do you live in? The "faculty senate" will make the determination? Have you not noticed that Vailas has dissolved the faculty senate, not once but twice, in the last two years and the president and the faculty are barely speaking? Seriously.

Do a google search under "Jim O'Brien vs. Ohio State," a case where OSU fired O'Brien for serious NCAA violations, and read what the court ruled in that case. In essence, they said the university had to follow the principles of "progressive discipline," which means he couldn't be fired for a first offense -- no matter what his contract said.

And even if ISU did decide to fire Kramer over this incident (and their answer today was a one-game suspension -- NOT a firing), they'd be tied up in court for years in a wrongful termination suit (see Kramer's last "firing" by MSU, which, after years of litigation, wound up costing MSU $250 K -- about what two years of what Kramer's salary is worth).

Kramer's not going anywhere -- but his ability to recruit has been seriously impaired and the ISU football program will continue to suffer because of it.

Kramer's contract is meaningless if the University determines there
is wrongdoing on his part which constitutes "breach of trust" which this incident obviously falls into. Kramer's motives for "closed practices are also in question.
The fact that he has won "one" Conference game in two years
does not go well.
Ultimately it will be the President's office and the faculty senate that will make the determination.
. The University can suspend or terminate anyone at anytime if they deem it appropriate regardless
of the contract, and Kramer's ground is thin.

Actually Kramer has a four-year deal, still 2.5 years to go. (http://missoulian.com/sports/catch-all/article_b63a2cea-3b12-11e0-a353-001cc4c002e0.html). The shoving incident will likely impact recruiting more than the big losses. The Post Register ran interviews with the mothers of three eastern Idaho recruits, all of whom said they'd be very reluctant to turn their sons over to Kramer after seeing the shoving incident.

I doubt Kramer will go anywhere as he is only on his second year of a three year contract. Next season will be the indicator for ISU and Kramer as a coach needs at least three years of recruiting classes to rebuild a football program. The positives are the football players are doing well in the classroom and are conducting volunteer work within the community.

This game was Kramer's last hope. And the boys didn't come through.
Sad part it this game was predicted by most to be the one sure thing.
The rest of the season as ISU faces the Conference leaders and a Montana team next week looking for vindication is not whether they are going to win or lose, the Northern Colorado game proved by any shadow of a doubt that ISU can't win in the Big Sky this year. The real problem is going into a game and wondering how bad they are going to be anniliated.

It is only a matter of time now. I say days, and Kramer will be basking in the Floida sunshine, and some character, either the old man from the ISU clean-up crew at Holt, or maybe one of the mop boys will be leading the football team through the maze that confronts it ahead.

ISU is the Fort Lewis of the Big Sky. An inept team this year that stumbles over itself, loses the ball on every play, and can't tell their right from their left.

The only thing positive I see is that Northern Colorado finally won a Conference game after 15 Conference losses.
One asks the question why has Northern Colorado improved so radically and ISU has gone down hill.

Could it be the loss of players like More and others, and now Graves
who actually had his best game against Northern Colorado a year ago.

Zamberlin went to the house on a 0-8 season in 2010. How is it Kramer can escape the same fate? I doubt if he will. There is even strong doubt they will let him finish the season. It is hard to believe the team can fair worse than it has thus far this year. A 50 +point
defensive give up in all four Conference games this season.
An offense that fell to pieces in Nottingham.

Possibly everyone is going to stay mum until the last down of the Weber game. But unless you are a sucker for punishment, I wouldn't focus too much on the massacres ahead. It will be the Fort Lewis Blues down the line and the repeat of 1999.

Even the Montana loss to UND offers ISU small consolation. Montana beat Northern Colorado by fifty something to 28. Go figure. We are looking at another 77 point blowout. Just thought I'd let you know.[beam]