POCATELLO — Several people involved with the Boy Scouts of America on the local level in Southeast Idaho are opting not to talk about a potential change from a long-standing no-gays policy from the operations national office, but one local Scout leader is talking, and he thinks it’s a bad idea.
Archie Sheppard, a Scout troop leader for roughly a decade now serving with Troop 174, says he thinks allowing openly gay leaders and members opens the door to potential problems for all involved.
“I think it’s a dangerous situation for the boys to be exposed to,” he said. “I just don’t think it’s a good idea, it opens up too many possibilities.”
The Boy Scouts of America’s national office announced earlier this week it was considering a change in its nationwide no-gays policy, something that has led to anti-Scouts protests. Some of those protests have hit the group economically through petition campaigns that have led some companies to suspend donations to the Boy Scouts.
Under the proposed change, said BSA spokesman Deron Smith, “the Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members or parents.”
The official announcement of a change could come as early as next week, after BSA’s national board concludes a regularly scheduled meeting on Feb. 6, a meeting that will be closed to the public.
Sheppard’s concerns are for the safety of all involved. He’s worried not only for the Scout who is not gay, but also for the one who is gay.
“I know how kids are, and if an openly gay boy wanted to join my troop — kids are cruel, and I know he’s not going to be treated very well,” Sheppard said. “As a leader, I don’t think he should be around the kids.”
Sheppard worries that the openly gay Scouts would suffer ridicule at the hands of those who are not gay, a group that would be an overwhelming majority. But then, Sheppard is also concerned about the potential motives of those openly gay Scouts or leaders who are part of the group.
He says that concern is well founded, citing a experience in which he knew of an openly gay man who pursued a co-worker who was not gay. It was an incident outside of Scouting.
“He chased after someone who wasn’t gay,” Sheppard said. “They say on the news that it doesn’t happen, but what are they going to do, they are looking for someone to be with.”
Ultimately, should the national office make the change, Sheppard says it won’t stop him from continuing to be part of the Boy Scouts. Should he have an openly gay individual seek to be a leader or member of his troop, then he would seek the advice of church leadership, he said. Sheppard’s troop is one of many that is associated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
At the same time he doesn’t believe openly gay men should be leaders and members of Boy Scouts, any potential for there to be an issue is something Sheppard said troop leaders are already trained to spot and deal with.
When asked if there is a mechanism in place for the safety of Scouts from those who would seek to join the group for the potential access to youths, Sheppard said there is an extensive program in place.
“We have youth protection training all the time,” he said. “It’s something we have to maintain, kind of like a certification. We have to regularly retrain on it.”
Calls to the Grand Teton Council, and to some other local troop leaders seeking comment, were referred to the BSA’s national office.
The BSA, which celebrated its 100th anniversary in 2010, has long excluded both gays and atheists. Smith said a change in the policy toward atheists was not being considered, and that the BSA continued to view “Duty to God” as one of its basic principles.
Protests over the no-gays policy gained momentum in 2000, when the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the BSA’s right to exclude gays. Scout units lost sponsorships by public schools and other entities that adhered to nondiscrimination policies, and several local Scout councils made public their displeasure with the policy.
More recently, pressure surfaced on the Scouts’ own national executive board. Two high-powered members — Ernst & Young CEO James Turley and AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson — indicated they would try to work from within to change the membership policy, which stood in contrast to their own companies’ non-discrimination policies.
Amid petition campaigns, shipping giant UPS Inc. and drug-manufacturer Merck announced that they were halting donations from their charitable foundations to the Boy Scouts as long as the no-gays policy was in force.
Also, local Scout officials drew widespread criticism in recent months for ousting Jennifer Tyrrell, a lesbian mom, as a den leader of her son’s Cub Scout pack in Ohio and for refusing to approve an Eagle Scout application by Ryan Andresen, a California teen who came out as gay last fall.
Tyrrell said she’s thrilled for parents and their children who’ve been excluded from Scouting and “for those who are in Scouts and hiding who they are.”
“For me it’s not just about the Boy Scouts of America, it’s about equality,” she told The Associated Press. “This is a step toward equality in all aspects.”
Many of the protest campaigns, including one seeking Tyrrell’s reinstatement, had been waged with help from the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.
“The Boy Scouts of America have heard from Scouts, corporations and millions of Americans that discriminating against gay Scouts and Scout leaders is wrong,” said Herndon Graddick, GLAAD’s president. “Scouting is a valuable institution, and this change will only strengthen its core principles of fairness and respect.”
Among those urging the Boy Scouts to keep the no-gays policy was Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council.
“The Boy Scouts of America board would be making a serious mistake to bow to the strong-arm tactics of LGBT activists and open the organization to homosexuality,” Perkins said. “The Boy Scouts should stand firm in their timeless values and respect the right of parents to discuss these sexual topics with their children.”
The Scouts had reaffirmed the no-gays policy as recently as last year, and appeared to have strong backing from conservative religious denominations — notably the Mormons, Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists — which sponsor large numbers of Scout units. Under the proposed change, they could continue excluding gays.
Prior to Monday’s announcement, the BSA conferred with some leaders of these religious groups, including the Rev. Frank Page, who leads the Southern Baptist Executive Committee.
According Roger S. Oldham, a spokesman for the executive committee, Page then wrote to the Scouts “expressing his tremendous dismay at the decision.”
“They had been working for months on this proposal and just days before they informed us,” Oldham said in a telephone interview. “We would anticipate that there would be a very significant backlash …”
If the Scouts proceed with the change, Oldham said, SBC leaders were likely to issue a statement “expressing disappointed and encouraging our churches to support alternative boys organizations.”
Neither the Catholic Church nor the Mormons’ Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued official statements as to how they would respond.
Said Sister Mary Ann Walsh, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, “The bishops hope the Boy Scouts will continue to work under the Judeo-Christian principles upon which they were founded and under which they have served youth well.”
Were the change adopted, said Deron Smith, “there would no longer be any national policy regarding sexual orientation, and the chartered organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs.
“BSA members and parents would be able to choose a local unit that best meets the needs of their families,” he said. “Under this proposed policy, the BSA would not require any chartered organization to act in ways inconsistent with that organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs.”
The announcement came shortly after new data showed that membership in the Cub Scouts — the BSA’s biggest division — dropped sharply last year, and was down nearly 30 percent over the past 14 years.
According to figures provided by the organization, Cub Scout ranks dwindled by 3.4 percent, from 1,583,166 in 2011 to 1,528,673 in 2012. That’s down from 2.17 million in 1998.
The Boy Scouts attribute the decline largely to broad social changes, including the allure of video games and the proliferation of youth sports leagues and other options for after-school activities.
However, critics of the Scouts suggest that its recruitment efforts have been hampered by high-profile controversies — notably the court-ordered release of files dealing with sex abuse allegations and persistent protests over the no-gays policy.
The BSA’s overall “traditional youth membership” — Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts and Venturers — totaled 2,658,794 in 2012, compared to more than 4 million in peak years of the past. There were 910,668 Boy Scouts last year, a tiny increase from 2011, while the ranks of Venturers — a program for youths 14 and older— declined by 5.5 percent.
In addition to flak over the no-gays policy, the Scouts have been buffeted by multiple court cases related to past allegations of sexual abuse by Scout leaders, including those chronicled in long-confidential records that are widely known as the “perversion files.”
Through various cases, the Scouts have been forced to reveal files dating from the 1960s to 1991. They detailed numerous cases where abuse claims were made and Boy Scout officials never alerted authorities and sometimes actively sought to protect the accused.
The Scouts are now under a California court order, affirmed this month by the state Supreme Court, to turn over sex-abuse files from 1991 through 2011 to the lawyers for a former Scout who claims a leader molested him in 2007, when he was 13. It’s not clear how soon the files might become public.
The BSA has apologized for past lapses and cover-ups, and has stressed the steps taken to improve youth protection policy. Since 2010, for example, it has mandated that any suspected abuse be reported to police.
The Associated Press contributed to this story.



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