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Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:38 pm | Updated: 10:44 pm, Wed May 21, 2014.

POCATELLO — Pocatello’s non-discrimination ordinance has been a divisive issue in the community, and nothing portrays that more than Tuesday’s vote. 

Proposition One — which asked voters to decide whether or not the controversial ordinance meant to protect members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community from discrimination should be repealed — resulted in a near tie at the polls. The ordinance barely survived with 4,943 people voting to keep the law in place, and 4,863 voting to rescind it.

Although it was a close call, Brenda Stanley, co-chair of the Fair Pocatello campaign, which worked to keep the ordinance in place, is happy with the outcome. 

“(I am) grateful for the people who made the effort to come out and make their voices heard,” she said, adding that she’s relieved the ordinance wasn’t repealed. 

The law prevents discrimination in housing, employment and public accommodations based upon a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity. And Stanley feels the law is necessary to protect the rights of members of the LGBT community who could otherwise be evicted from their homes or fired from their jobs based on their sexual orientation.

She also believes that having such a law in place portrays Pocatello as a welcoming community. 

“This is a victory for all people in this community,” Stanley said, adding that fairness, kindness and common sense have prevailed.

Although the ordinance protects the rights of members of the LGBT community, opposers say it has the potential to take away rights from others. 

Those on the Vote Yes Pocatello committee, which worked to repeal the ordinance, have said the law makes business owners choose between their personal convictions and their profession and threatens people with fines and jail time for following their personal beliefs. 

In addition, they feel it uses subjective and ambiguous language to blur the lines of gender in a way that could abuse the privacy rights of women and children.

Although Vote Yes Pocatello believes people should be treated fairly and respectfully, members feel the law has the potential to do more harm than good. That’s why Ralph Lillig, chairman of Vote Yes Pocatello, said they did their best to get the law repealed.

He’s personally not planning to pursue the matter any further. 

“The people have spoken,” he said, adding that the majority chose to keep the law in place. 

Still, Lillig said it will be up to the Vote Yes committee to determine if they want a recount due to the close vote. 

Pocatello City Councilman Eva Johnson Nye said she doesn’t feel the ordinance has really changed the way people live their lives or impacted their ability to worship as they see fit in the past year, still she knows the law has been divisive. 

Now that people have had a chance to weigh in on the matter, she feels it’s important for citizens to set their differences aside and move on. 

“Lets all work together to make Pocatello a better place to live for everyone,” she said. 

 

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16 comments:

  • enjoyit posted at 7:39 pm on Fri, May 23, 2014.

    enjoyit Posts: 87

    This should be brought and voted on again. Hopefully it will be defeated.

     
  • StoneBreaker posted at 8:42 am on Fri, May 23, 2014.

    StoneBreaker Posts: 23

    Nice ad hominem. Perhaps you could employ some of this "common sense" of which you speak.

    I do not believe this is a fallacy of composition, this is a very specific example, however behavior such as this is more the norm than the exception.

    Ανθρώπινο σφάλμα

     
  • hibbity posted at 4:50 pm on Thu, May 22, 2014.

    hibbity Posts: 27

    Gay coaches prey on students but straight coaches don't? The argument is irrational. If you want to protect your kids in school, look past the gay/straight thing and use some common sense.

    "If they can not reconcile their own sexuality, how do they expect the children they coach too?" - StoneBreaker

    (to) They HAVE reconciled, just not to your own liking.

    But I guess you are qualified to judge all other humans, right?

     
  • hibbity posted at 4:35 pm on Thu, May 22, 2014.

    hibbity Posts: 27

    exactly!

     
  • No thanks posted at 7:17 am on Thu, May 22, 2014.

    No thanks Posts: 81

    My greatest concern as a parent in poky was not that they would be approached by a gay coach , my greatest fear is that their lds " friends" would try yo indoctrinate them into the church. Members of the LBGT community don't knock on your door shoving their values at you . We all know who does that. What is sad is that members of the community need an ordinance to insure they are protected. What ever happened to the golden rule. Maybe spend some time on Sunday talking about that.

     
  • georges posted at 6:54 am on Thu, May 22, 2014.

    georges Posts: 1

    A few stats -
    The final difference is 80 votes, or 0.82%. On the day of the election 4,199 voted in favor, 3,680 against. Absentee vote was 572 in favor, 1,220 against. As is characteristic of the left, they stuffed the absentee ballot box. Time for a recount.

     
  • No thanks posted at 5:51 am on Thu, May 22, 2014.

    No thanks Posts: 81

    Gomer, u appear to have a lot of issues that have built up. Perhaps u are hiding something that u need to come to terms w. Please feel free to share, you are now protected in poky.

     
  • StoneBreaker posted at 8:03 pm on Wed, May 21, 2014.

    StoneBreaker Posts: 23

    In my opinion, personally I could care less about the fact that someone is GAY or LESBIAN. The problem I have is when that person is so ashamed of it that they keep it from everyone they deal with, especially if they have a position of influence, for example a softball coach.

    If they can not reconcile their own sexuality, how do they expect the children they coach too? Parents should know and have the right to know who and how their kids are being influenced. There is no right way to do the wrong thing, passing yourself off as a "pious" and forthright person while outright lying to yourself and the people you deal with on a daily basis is criminal. Purposely "hiring" assistants that are GAY or LESBIAN and allowing them to prey on the student athletes is also criminal. Why would an intelligent proud LGBT person keep their feelings and way of life a secret to the people they are close with? You can't have it both ways. It's not their "choice" and way of life that is disgusting, it's the way they portray their lives that is..."man or woman" up as it were.

     
  • Patriot posted at 5:01 pm on Wed, May 21, 2014.

    Patriot Posts: 87

    Evad is obviously deluded. Collusion? Puleeze! Look up collusion in the dictionary and you are presented with: The ACLU; the Human Rights Campaign; Planned Parenthood; PFLAG; and several additional NATIONAL, professional "gay rights" advocacy groups that have (and spend) millions - (in the case of ACLU and Planned Parenthood - of TAX payer ) dollars to force through the Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, Transgender (LGBT) hate speech toward anyone who doesn't support their twisted world view. In fact, FAIR Pocatello COLLUDED with (at least) several OUTSIDE of the state groups to raise in excess of $85 thousand and to bring in "boots on the ground" from all over the nation to descend upon our community to spread theirs lies, fables and distortions.

     
  • Firefly posted at 1:20 pm on Wed, May 21, 2014.

    Firefly Posts: 44

    " The mayor, members of the city council and Lillig colluded to get deep pockets support from a Washington DC hate group to ram this through. " To ram what through? The referendum? Can you back that up? What's your source? If its past ISJ articles - you'd better look for a credible source.

    The recent sunshine reports are a good source to look at - what hypocrisy is revealed through these reports!

    Better yet, why don't you go take a closer look at the referendum petitions that were hand carried by POCATELLO residents door to door - NOT OUTSIDE PAID STAFF members of groups like the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force or Planned Parenthood.

    And, Pocatello's local media was complicit in helping to hide these facts from the voters. Their actions scream DOUBLE STANDARD.

    I don't care about how much money the LGBT group collected or spent. But as a voter I do care that citizens were lied to by some of these canvassers and some of the phone bank callers. People deserve better than that. They deserve all the facts not the dribble fed to the door knockers.

    This was not a clear victory for the LGBT group. It's a huge embarrassment to the national Pro-Gay Lobby. Just think about it. Multiple organizations had to swoop into a small town, bringing nearly $100,000, go door to door and deceive people, to win by what? 90 votes? Look at the numbers. That's less than 1%. (.924% to be exact). Let's assume they spent all of that $100,000 - $90,000 more than the VoteYes group - they means, they paid $1000 per vote to just squeak out a 90 vote lead. No. This is a clear win for Pocatello grassroots citizens!

    And, to top it all off, less than 34% of registered voters even voted! That may be a high turnout in a primary, but it is a pathetic display of apathy on part of our citizenry. 66% of our Bannock county voters disengaged. That's over 26,361 people who chose to not let their voices be heard on county issues.

    The VoteYes group is just as welcoming as any person in Pocatello - they just aren't going to sit by and let the rights of others get trampled. This issue is not going away anytime soon.

     
  • dixorobe posted at 11:21 am on Wed, May 21, 2014.

    dixorobe Posts: 116

    Would you like a hug? [innocent]

     
  • evad posted at 9:01 am on Wed, May 21, 2014.

    evad Posts: 24

    Lillig writes about how in instigating the travesty of the referendum vote, he and his collaborators just couldn't muster the resources that Fair Pocatello did. This is a patent lie. The mayor, members of the city council and Lillig colluded to get deep pockets support from a Washington DC hate group to ram this through. The fact is, their resources and strategizing lost because Pocatello doesn't want to discriminate against its citizens. If you read between the lines of this whiney excuse for the outcome, it is a plea for more funds to try to control Pocatello's citizens. Pocatello voted for the NDO, and now defended it in the referendum. Sorry, guys. You lost Prop 8 and you lost this attempt to kill the NDO, and you're going to lose the marriage ban. Both the sentiments of plain old Pocatello folks on the street and history are against you. I hope you will stop this fruitless attempt to harm your neighbors for god knows what reason, and join us. You will find the rest of us are surprisingly welcoming despite the harm you have tried to do to many peoples' lives.[wink]

     
  • Kfrog1950 posted at 8:12 am on Wed, May 21, 2014.

    Kfrog1950 Posts: 36

    gomer, I find it interesting that I have lived in Pocatello for over 45 years and worked in the public sector and never once had anyone tell me straight to my face they were gay. With your attitude I would be shocked if anyone were ever that honest with you for fear you would speak your mind to anyone no matter who, what or where.
    I, personally would be thrilled if the schools taught tolerance and not bigotry like you must have been.

     
  • Pokeymon posted at 6:51 am on Wed, May 21, 2014.

    Pokeymon Posts: 13

    Gomer...what an appropriate handle. Btw, what is a moslem?

     
  • zgomer posted at 6:05 am on Wed, May 21, 2014.

    zgomer Posts: 40

    I hope someone sues...the perverts as I call them because that is all they are have more rights than anyone now...what is there to "protect" them from? Life...jobs...anything else...Well if a gay/lesbian tells me when I am in a store that they are gay/lesbian...which has happened before...I tell them I am straight so what is your point! literally...I don't care and I don't want to hear about what they do in their perverted minds...if they are at a job and they like it...then just do it and be happy about it...but don't play that game of the victim of saying you were fired because your a pervert...you were fired because you didn't do your job! Pocatello use to be a nice place to live...now it cowards to the minority perverts and other animal right groups like gays/lesbians and moslems and everything else...seems you can't go out to do anything anymore because the politically correct police are always around and are offended by anything you may say or do...I say what I want to whom I want at anytime I want...these little freaks bring these issues on themselves and play the victims all the time...next the gays/perverts will want district 25 to have them teach gay/lesbian history in schools...but heaven forbid you can;t pray in school or have a cross or the 10 commandments in the place but you have to be sensitive and bow down to the perverts...that is real sick.

     
  • Firefly posted at 5:59 am on Wed, May 21, 2014.

    Firefly Posts: 44

    The margin was slimmer than that. Time to update those numbers. As of 1:42 a.m., the Bannock County page is showing a margin of just 90 votes. No: 4914 Yes: 4824

     

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